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Firstly, thanks to Sun for the mini-essay. It temporarily saved much more crap from brewing. My commendations for your effort =)

Nextly (no it is not a word. Yes I am still using it.) I removed the autoplay because I think 300 people read it last night and I don't think anyone will miss the autoplay of the violin.

My full statement is below the break.

I am aware that I was harsher than I should've been. I have cut down the cynicism in like the 3 places that I was actually cynical. Now the post is target-free. I believe the only image I am now presenting is that Sun and I had an idea for the Battle of the Bands, and evidently a majority voted against. I do not see why anyone should be upset; you should be proud of your decision and stand by it.

My aim was not to portray anyone as "stupid" or "wrong". Of the non-Prefects that I talked to, I didn't encounter anyone who felt the post was degrading towards Prefects. They read it as just an expression of disappointment. Even still I did have some "uncalled for" sentences, which I have since edited out. Some Prefects (especially the ones that were against BOTB) felt targeted, and I have accounted for that since.
Well actually to be honest I don't know for sure that anyone actually felt targeted. If they did they should've talked to me. But nobody told me they felt insulted. Some told me that my sourness was not justified because of X Y and Z. I listened, and I believe the result of that discussion was that yes, I do have a right to be sour - but nobody else has to be sour, and neither did I ever expect you to.

I felt my post was more to highlight the planning and how awesome I felt the idea to be, personally. Then my disappointment in the rejection and replacement of the idea. I didn't mean to make it like I was hating on everyone for knocking it down.

Yes, granted, as Sun said, we should've confirmed the like-ability of this event from the get-go. Remember that first Prefect meeting where we sat down under the sails, and the topic of BOTB was raised, to which about all except 3 people were like "yeah, why not?". And then on the Etherpad, for like a bajillion years I put a "put your name down here if you are against BOTB so we can stop it right here right now" and we got nobody writing their name down?
Yes, true, we made the mistake of not officially asking in an official meeting, but look me in the eye and tell me that we weren't led to believe that you guys were okay with this.

If I may make a possibly biased judgment, I don't believe my post was as directly insulting and confrontational as some of the comments I received.

I had to ask several non-Prefect friends to help me read it objectively - obviously there is tension between the pro- and anti-BOTB groups. The response I got was that "No the post was obviously not to badmouth or diss Prefects. You were disappointed for having an idea, which you poured time and energy into, which then got shot down. It didn't read very insultingly. You mainly just described the BOTB planning anyway." If you don't believe me, I'm happy to supply chatlogs. I have 5 of them atm. I'm quite sure more than 10. Including a Prefect who was a-okay with the post (even though they were against BOTB). To put into perspective, I've had about 4 Prefects actually talk to me about how it upset them.

One of my best friends was also one of the strongest advocators against BOTB. If you're really bringing "friendship" into this, and think I now hate him, or that I'm even holding anything against him, for contributing to knocking back the idea, then I must ask you to kindly leave my blog, because obviously you don't have any idea who I am.

Whether or not you were on my side, I respected you as a person if you talked to me on MSN. It's nice to see that if you have opinions, you're not afraid to share them =). So to everyone who did this (I think maybe 5 of you) thanks, regardless of whether we ended up agreeing or not.

If you were one of those anons who have a point to make, come run it by me. I am happy to talk to you, and why I think whatever problem you had can be overcome.
I think I've heard about 90% of all the objections, and I have a logical reply for literally ALL of the points I've heard.
If you post as an anon on this blog, though, I don't take you seriously. I bunch you with the rest of the anons on the internet (and as anyone who has visited 4chan knows, are all a bunch of complete douches). Because I can't control who views this blog, and I now actually have no idea who the hell reads this, I will treat all anons with the same condescension and derision.
Come to me personally, or use your own name, and we can have a civilised discussion. Of the two people who were against BOTB and actually approached me, I don't believe we had a particularly heated argument... It was civil. Well at least, I felt the other party was civil, I can't exactly speak for myself. But I felt civil 8D

And I know that shit happens and you get over it. I am not lamenting over the knocking back of the assembly, contrary to popular belief. I'm okay with not talking about it ever again. However, I do believe some of the arguments made against BOTB such as "Omg appeals to such a small audience" and "Nobody likes these assemblies" were poorly founded. I decided to test that out.

In addition I heard "There are not enough bands", "There isn't a big enough band culture in Ruse for this" and "Wouldn't it be better to incorporate multi-talents?". I actually have a decent reply for all of these - If you firmly believe any of these statements, feel free to ask me and I'll tell you what I think.

And the purpose of all my posts is to track my attitude towards life over time. Sometimes important events trigger important posts. Because usually I don't consider my attitudes, unless I'm thinking about blogging it. In doing so, I can track my attitudes after events such as talking to a girl who made the bitchiest and most appalling comment you can ever make in such a situation, going on courses and meeting a control-freak elitist dude, meeting people who enlightened me about how people work, making/losing/repairing friendships, and now the loss of the first big thing that me+Sun were planning to do.

I also wanted everyone else to know what we had planned. It was a pretty good idea, as I've seen people agree. The loss of this idea is quite unfortunate, and a pain shared is a pain halved. Sympathies and etc go a long way.

So in conclusion - I am sorry for any offence taken. It was not to offend, just to inform. Feel free to tell me if the post still upsets you. I attempted to make it all factual. If my way of expressing a certain fact upsets you, please tell me. I will not hesitate to change it as long as the meaning of the fact remains unchanged. And finally, I am not resisting the vote of the majority. I will help and contribute to this performance-gathering-assembly thing, and put the idea of BOTB behind me.

References: "RIP" at http://jwhero.blogspot.com/2011/08/rip.html

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

Jeff shouldn't have to make a post like this. The rest of the prefects got what they wanted, however stupid it was. In all honesty, nobody really wants to hear you do a piano solo or a violin solo. Which is quite obviously what a Ruse Talent Show will consist of. Albeit with a smattering of dance from what respectable dance groups with have (this is a nod off to Tristan and Co.)

Jeff was simply presenting his idea to everybody else, if you are going to say "Oh but he was seeing it in the best possible light." What of it? It's his fucking idea and he can say whatever he wants to get people to get behind it. What Jeff said wasn't outrageous and he showed proof that the prizes promised could be made. So I don't see the fuss.

The Prefects of 2011/2012 should be ashamed that there is tension this early in the year because of something so trivial.

G-na said...

To the anon, I really don't think you should be blaming the Prefects for the "tension", especially since everything has been sorted out?
Pretty sure this whole thing is just based on misunderstandings. Even if that's not that case - there are always going to be conflicting ideas (especially between a large group of people) and Jeff is merely trying to clear things up.

And also, get off anon if you have something to say. It makes people lose respect for you cos you're too weak to voice your opinion publicly.

jwhero said...

@anon
As much as I am grateful for what you're saying, it would please me no end if you had a name behind that =). But please don't blame the Prefects. I never blamed the Prefects for BOTB. I never intended anyone to read it like that. Unfortunately a few Prefects DID, and that caused this shitstorm.

@Gina
I don't think it has been fully sorted out - according to some people there are another 5 people out there who felt offended but I still have nfi who they are. I do have a personal apology to offer...
And yes misunderstandings is exactly what I think this is. I did not find a single non-Prefect who was reading this and thinking "God Prefects suck". If anything, the flamewar would've induced those thoughts (obviously I was not helping in that regard).

Anonymous said...

Dear Gina,
I believe you should make use of the anonymous function. Because what your saying is making me lose respect for you. I am making a point as a member of the school community, it would only add to the bias and controversy should I choose to reveal my name and my opinion would not be taken as seriously because of my associations with Jeff.

I try to present things from an objective point of view and an identity would hinder that.

I hope this was worth your time reading, because the same can not be said for your post.

jwhero said...

@presumably same anon
That's not called for. By putting her name behind her point, she has a more valid point than you'll ever make.

And really, being anon does not make you "objective", it just makes you someone unable to stand up for their own beliefs.

As such, as you have noticed, I treat all anons like shit. I treat anyone with a name with respect and civility.

Thank you and good day.

Hawley Griffin said...

That's not true.

If an anons point is warranted, then you will congratulate them with thanks.
"As much as I am grateful for what you're saying, it would please me no end if you had a name behind that =)."

Just because you treat me as if I were excrement would not make my point more or less true, which is my only intention. To provide a perspective perhaps unexplored by other readers of this blog.

I am just another member of the school who cares what's going on, why should it matter who I am?

I am having a very pleasant day thank you.

jwhero said...

Putting a fake name does not help.

Yes but now you're being a wanker and I have no intention of talking with you civilly.

An uncalled for attack on another reader is not "a perspective unexplored by other readers of this blog"

HAWLEY GRIFFIN said...

She attacked me first!

Edward Hyde said...

HAI ANON

G-na said...

Sure I attacked you, because you're insulting the Prefects...
And it's okay if you're losing respect for me.
at least I have the balls to stick up for what I believe in..

Hawley Your Lover said...

Edward you are the most incredible gentleman I have ever had the pleasure of meeting.

Too bad you sodomized me.


Kinda liked it though.

G-na said...

Oh and two more things.
Try to learn to use "your" and "you're" properly.
And your comment was definitely not objective.

That's as civil as I'm gonna get, Hawley Griffin.

HAWLEY! said...
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HAWLEY! AGAIN said...

its*

Anonymous said...

@G-na @jwhero

You present a convincing argument in justifying your position/s to anons, and certainly, I agree with many of your points.

You should consider, however, that:
1. It is obvious that anon#1 is a member of the school community and as such I don't believe treating him like "the rest of the anons on the internet" is completely justified
2. You cannot deny that your perception of a comment would be biased (to at least a slight degree) if you have previous knowledge of the person

Edward Hyde said...

Dear Hawley,

I'm sure the Martians would've done worse to you had I not made my move.

Anonymous said...

i reckon if i ain't anonymous, i couldn't possibly say whatever i wanted to say in the way i wanted to say it because then, i would generate a negative impression upon myself due to my harsh way of saying things. (and i tend to offend people)

Sun said...
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Sun said...

I respect people who speak their mind and have reason behind their thoughts which they can clearly explain. I dont care if you go against what i think i will still respect you as long as you show respect towards me. If you feel uneasy about showing your name to everyone else then sure, but do keep in mind that this will make it harder for your opinions and comments to be respected

Things like insults would leave a bad impression of you on me. i mean most of the time they're things you just didn't need to say and they add nothing to your point whatsoever. I'm not saying that you did anon, i'm just saying that unless you did this i would not form a negative opinion of you even if our opinions clashed.

you do think your opinion is justified and shouldn't be taken in offense by anyone right? I admit that yes, if you did put a name behind your posts it might generate some bias to people reading it. but its just courtesy, a show of respect to us, that you present your opinion under your own name. if you're going to present an argument at least have enough faith that you would be able to convince other people to see where you're coming from and thus not think of you in a bad way.

(EDIT: the first sentence didnt make sense. fixed that sorry.)

Goldiieee said...

I'm not particularly against the anon but shouldn't you maybe not be saying things that could/will/are offend(ing) people if you're not willing to accept responsibility for it doing so?

okay maybe I am against the anon...

Anonymous said...

It ultimately goes one of two ways:
1. That person is a member of the school community and you know them - you should probably not completely disregard everything they say on a basis of identity
2. That person is completely unknown to you, any real name provided will make the person no less anonymous than any anon - even any believable false name would work

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